you have ralph reed on "meet the press" saying he doesn't think it's going to change. and yet washington post polling, republicans 18 to 49, a majority-supporting same sex marriage. what does the party do? because the politics and the principle seem to be running in opposite directions. >> well, look, i think that generational change happens. and you see these things -- you know, wind up happening over a generation, over a couple decades. the politics and the polling, like you mentioned, we'll talk about more, has changed rapidly. even just the past five years, president obama's position on civil unions versus now he's fully in favor of same-sex marriage. hillary clinton, who if she wants to run in 2016, she's going to -- she's in favor of same-sex marriage. any democrat who runs has to be in favor of it. republicans at this point still undecided. >> it's a more dicey territory. quickly, it's amazing to me that people forget, president obama, then senator obama, and then senator clinton, both oppose gay marriage and supported civil unions in the '08 presidential campai